Responding to the recent demise of Verizon’s failed attempt at developing a competitor to Netflix’s streaming business, an AT&T executive tried to frame it as evidence that net neutrality isn’t really necessary.

“If the theory that ISPs have this incentive to favor their services were true, then Verizon is totally incompetent, because they went into this market with Redbox, and now they’re totally shuttering it,” AT&T policy executive Hank Hultquist said, according to the Washington Post.

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